tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post8734991486885145752..comments2023-10-16T16:46:01.762-06:00Comments on Why I Don't Do Thomas Jefferson Education: Reason #6: The Promise is Sold, but Never DeliveredJ.L.Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15788298939203330931noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-49073953947555656362023-10-16T16:46:01.762-06:002023-10-16T16:46:01.762-06:00I came back to this blog to read again what was sa...I came back to this blog to read again what was said when it was said. It's 2023 now, 23 years after TJEd publication and 15 years after this blog post. All the parents that went through DeMille's materials should come and point to the rest of us all the great leaders this teaching style was supposed to create. All the statesmen! This country is in a worse shape than 23 years ago...yet, no leaders or statesmen on the horizon! The proof is in the pudding. How great was DeMille's teaching? I think it passed enough time to have a sliver of proof. Anybody??Cristina M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14239482315827099727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-36895491899064054882016-09-30T16:38:20.850-06:002016-09-30T16:38:20.850-06:00Thanks so much for all your posts on this blog. Yo...Thanks so much for all your posts on this blog. You've saved our family from a lot of struggle and legalistic strife!bj04https://www.blogger.com/profile/09891076027358240937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-56390108293123054132015-09-20T14:04:41.231-06:002015-09-20T14:04:41.231-06:00You have certainly given some food for thought... ...You have certainly given some food for thought... and touched on some of the things I was wondering about (those little red flags). While I like the philosophy behind the TJEd 'movement,' I have been hesitant to purchase anything from them. And overwhelmed with the website so slowly taking my time to read over it. I actually enjoyed the webinar they put on for HEOC(?) last week. Despite the little red flag of "salesmanship" that wouldn't leave my brain.<br /><br />Thank you for this article. I see it was published some time ago; are you able to (or have you) done an update on TJEd to see if anything has changed since your post? If so, I would very much love to see it, and if not, is that something you would be interested in doing for your readers?<br /><br />Thanks again.Elehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661979237959334228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-51410608996896641882015-03-04T04:24:33.816-07:002015-03-04T04:24:33.816-07:00The gorgeous post learned a great deal Thanks grea...The gorgeous post learned a great deal Thanks greatly!<a href="http://newswatchtoday.info" rel="nofollow">News Watch Today</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09585313652840922835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-13385412366463244402014-04-05T04:01:17.349-06:002014-04-05T04:01:17.349-06:00" WOW! Bookworm Central book fairs must be WA..." WOW! Bookworm Central <a href="http://bookwormcentral-bookfair.blogspot.in/" rel="nofollow"><b>book fairs</b></a> must be WAY different than ours. The books that we get at our Bookworm Central Book fair quite varied & we had many positive comments from both faculty & parents. I can't speak for your school, but as far as our school is concerned, Bookworm Central prices are very comparable to other book fair companies. Bookworm Central has an unmatched business model in the book fair industry." " WOW! Bookworm Central book fairs must be WAY different than ours. The books that we get at our Bookworm Central Book fair quite varied & we had many positive comments from both faculty & parents. I can't speak for your school, but as far as our school is concerned, Bookworm Central prices are very comparable to other book fair companies. Bookworm Central has an unmatched business model in the book fair industry."stevehttp://www.bookwormcentral.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-77720808062289913882014-01-31T03:11:10.128-07:002014-01-31T03:11:10.128-07:00thanks for sharing nice post & blog..
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Which choice is up to you and it depends on whether you have self-discipline or not.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.gedbooks.org/" rel="nofollow">best ged books</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174157687212464551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-74284253447741744172012-08-14T12:37:03.499-06:002012-08-14T12:37:03.499-06:00(continued from previous comment due to 4,096 char...(continued from previous comment due to 4,096 character limit)<br /><br />I appreciate those parts of this blog that have remained in the logical, but in a couple of cases I found my self disagreeing. For example, in reading about FEC, I had the impression that as husband, I was not to bring up issues with my wife's stewardships, as she was not to meddle with mine. This left it on an equal footing rather than the unrighteous dominion that Reason #4 suggests would result. I also understood the usage of 'The FEC' to be more of a literary device used to indicate the necessity to tackle problems together, though a more literal reading of the passages can be seen as suggesting a separate entity at which the parents can point fingers.<br /><br />There is a lot about the keys set forth in several of Oliver and Rachel's books, specifically the 'Ingredients' that I don't find necessary to our homeschool efforts, but they got me thinking about how I do want to set it up. It's a voice in the Great Conversation, and I am truly finding that most of what I have gathered from DeMille &co I can also get by going to the sources they used, including Adler. I know this comment has gotten a lot longer than I intended it to be, but basically, if you're still around, JLL, thank you for striving to fulfill your duty as an analytical reader, even in the face of so much opposition. I'm planning on going back through your blog again to try to see if I disagree with any of your terms, propositions, or arguments, but I find this to be a great example of a critical work, falling squarely in the realm of Theoretical Exposition. Were you to add some posts recommending where readers go to learn a better way, I'd move it over into Practical Exposition. But then you'd be in danger of gaining a following and being accused of misleading and misinforming people. Oh wait. That's already happening.Neil McGuirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17483811334056394746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-34606934269122286302012-08-14T12:36:32.950-06:002012-08-14T12:36:32.950-06:00I've noticed quite a few people who are concer...I've noticed quite a few people who are concerned over the time taken to criticize Oliver DeMille's work. I don't understand these complaints. The highest honor you can give a book in my opinion is to give it a complete analytical reading, as described by Adler in How To Read a Book. In order to do this, you have to find the terms, propositions and arguments presented by the author. After trying to understand the author's logic and presentation, you are then not only invited, but obligated to respond. The options presented are as follows: <br /><b>1.)</b>I agree. No further action is necessary for this case.<br /><b>2.)</b>I disagree. In this case, it is necessary to explain the problems with terms, propositions, or the logical flow of argument.<br /><b>3.)</b>I suspend judgment. This can only be the case if the truth of the expository work has not been sufficiently proven through cases, logic and argument.<br /><br />Some issues that occur with terms, such as their ambiguious usage, as pointed out in the definitions of Classics and Mentors, as well as the term Leadership, which is of paramount importance in the case of Leadership Education. In TJEd, the term Leadership Education must be defined clearly, and a lot of confusion can or has occurred over its use to refer to the system the DeMilles use at home, the system used at GWU, or simply any education based on great books and great mentors. If there are flaws in the logic applied to the propositions, they must be presented. <br /><br />If there are flaws in the propositions themselves, they must be because the author is either misinformed or uninformed, or intentionally deceptive. This is the argument presented in Reason #1 - JLL states that a vital tenet is flawed. A valid concern. I personally have not gotten far enough into my own education to know for sure whether or not the leaders I am interested in emulating studied classics or had mentors.<br /><br />There's an additional obligation on the part fo the analytical reader when the book is a <i>practical</i> book in that it urges action. It is necessary to determine the ends the book proposes and secondly, whether or not the proposed means would accomplish those ends. It seems to me that JLL is simply stating that while the ends of producing adults who are well-educated and capable of fulfilling leadership roles when called upon to do so are in fact worthy, he feels that the means presented are not backed by sufficient evidence to support their use.<br /><br />(continued)Neil McGuirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17483811334056394746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-68824873119821455342011-12-08T19:32:51.921-07:002011-12-08T19:32:51.921-07:00Why is it that proponents of TJEd have to belong t...Why is it that proponents of TJEd have to belong to a cult-like group to raise leaders and bring up their children well? Even if the ends appear to support it, I believe that looking to an educational guru in dangerous. Why can't the DeMille followers take responsibility as parents and do what they know is best for their children without joining a mass group of sheep led by a fallible human. These people bend over backwards to do TJEd just right and feel like failures when they can't measure up. Why not just be a true parent and leader and raise your children yourself with your spouse and quit whing to a group who doesn't even know your family? Take ownership of your life and quit thinking that other fallible humans have all the answers. They don't.Publius - 1787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-41281108336926730632011-10-02T16:05:23.764-06:002011-10-02T16:05:23.764-06:00Gees, sorry. I'm with Marni on all this. TJE p...Gees, sorry. I'm with Marni on all this. TJE promises to equip your children with the wisdom passed through the ages by classically trained great thinkers. It doesn't promise you'll get elected president. The Founding Fathers were 95% farmers, classically educated in the old books of wisdom. They then created a new country that, until recently hijacked by progressive socialists, was a shining beacon of light to all who came here. We declared our Independence in 1776. We signed our Constitution in 1787. That is eleven years for men trained their whole lives in the classics such as the Bible, but you want to know why DeMille hasn't reversed the last 50 years of crappy public school education in sixteen years? Really? The Founding Fathers were surrounded by millions of countrymen who could read and speak English and usually Latin and other foreign languages. Where do we have a critical mass, today, that all speaks English and has a basic education of the great classics? Our level of literacy is lower today than it was sixty years ago. We do not educate children anymore. We train them, somewhat, to follow a job. But you wonder why DeMille hasn't caught fire and changed the face of America?<br />I am a housewife. I lead four other people. But in my co-op, I lead fifteen. And with my Keeper's group, I lead twenty-five. I'm not the President. But I am a leader- and all the parents involved in these ventures are leaders. And we are training a pack of children to be leaders. You criticize, rightly, this book, because it needs to put up. But you wrongly assume that fundamental change can happen in sixteen or twenty years when we have done such damage to our schooling over the last 50 years. And I've looked at the man behind it all- it's Thomas Jefferson, dude. Honestly. Like we're not experimenting on our children right now, with crass sexual education starting in kindergarten, and never memorizing math facts. I'll take "experimenting" with my kids by reading the Bible and Cicero any day. Oh wait, here in California we have to start teaching our children about the wonderful things done by homosexuals in the past. Gee, that's solid research and knowledge! Much better than Thomas Jefferson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-67015907908716440272011-06-20T15:11:47.265-06:002011-06-20T15:11:47.265-06:00Wow, after ready all those comments I feel similar...Wow, after ready all those comments I feel similar as when I talk to a family member who was backstabbing another family member. I feel gross all over but got sucked into reading it all. I feel like it is of an evil spirit. I hope that the author of this blog has found peace and doesn't have to understand everything everyone is doing in the world. I am sorry you had someone have a bad experience at that college. I know that not every college is for everyone and that a perfect match is important. I hope she learned something from the experience and has found what she was looking for. <br /><br />As for this thread, people can go on and on over definitions. To communicate you need to hear what they are saying and feel it too. For example, Mormons believe they are Christians though by some people's definitions they cannot be because they don't believe in the trilogy. They believe they are because they are follwers of Christ. Or another way of trying to explain what I mean is, my daughter might think she needs a band aid but there is no blood so I don't think she needs one, we are both right. I do believe that there is no right way to educate our children or ourselves and by prayer we will know what is best for each family. Good luck to you on your journey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-32742381610930684062011-02-25T00:19:19.056-07:002011-02-25T00:19:19.056-07:00I've been reading your blog and it is clear yo...I've been reading your blog and it is clear you don't understand what you are criticizing. To Donna, I don't know why you are wasting your time arguing with someone who doesn't want to understand. To Truth: I never thought of asking the Divine for guidance in your life as "mixing religion with education." One of the reasons we home school is so we can include our Creator in all that we do. Why wouldn't we? Isn't He the Giver of all TRUTH?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-36241646010369110312011-02-17T12:19:27.239-07:002011-02-17T12:19:27.239-07:00I'm a little late to the party, but I'm gl...I'm a little late to the party, but I'm glad I found your blog. I started reading TJEd recently, thinking that this might be a good fit for our homeschool based on a few of the principles I had heard about ("inspiring children" -- who doesn't want to be inspired? -- and learning through the classics).<br /><br />Reading through the books, I have had a lot of red flags shoot up. The fact that it is written with an almost religious fervour, and its adherents are mainly part of one discrete religious group, is somewhat offputting to me, for starters. <br /><br />So many of my other concerns presented as unarticulated little nagging doubts until I read your blog and I was able to put them into words. <br /><br />Thank you for expressing your points so clearly and comprehensively. You have done a good thing.Lisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-10802514872189436142011-01-03T14:32:50.344-07:002011-01-03T14:32:50.344-07:00As I was never home-schooled and was not introduce...As I was never home-schooled and was not introduced to LDS culture prior to college, I like to think that I have a unique viewpoint from other readers and posters on this blog.<br /><br />I recently graduated from George Wythe, a promoter of TJE. It's the sad truth that they've made some horrendous errors in judgment (finances being only one and the others being already listed in your blog) but it's also truth that I enjoyed my time there and learned a lot.<br /><br />Is all that I learned immediately practical for making a living in today's world? Heck no! I knew that before I applied. I had decided that I'd rather try a college focused on classics and discussion rather than a 'normal' college which would only give an exaggeration of high school.<br /><br />It all depends on what we want and expect. If I'd been looking for a career in the sciences, my time and money likely would have been wasted. Philosophy (the basic of the college) is great to think about and consider, but it's never been practical.<br /><br />No-one in my family expected the college, or TJE in general, to be the final word of authority. How can we completely rely on other fallible people and their very new theories and ideas? Take what works and leave what doesn't based on your own personal experience. That's what I learned from my grandfather, an intelligent man who never had more than a 6th grade education.<br /><br />Perhaps part of this problem is the advertising; it's more philosophy in general than only Thomas Jefferson's (likely) education.<br /><br />Also, it's not for everybody and they shouldn't say it is. Some people like and want/need that kind of education, others would hate it. Some people need and want a vo-tech and nothing more. We as a society and world need those kinds of people too.<br /><br />Maybe TJE would work out better if issues such as have been addressed here would be addressed by proponents of that education style. I'll be in front of the line to admit they're elitist and loathe (like other normal humans) to admit being in error.<br /><br />This is a good blog. You make good points, good arguments and good sense. Thanks for being polite and reasonable about your opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-34511594306682925502010-12-16T03:25:40.154-07:002010-12-16T03:25:40.154-07:00Just read much of your blog and most of the commen...Just read much of your blog and most of the comments on #6. My main thoughts are,first, what is your motivation to be so antagonistic. My second thought is, why don't you write a blog being passionate about what you are for instead of nitpicking/hen pecking something you clearly don't understand. Life is too short.mama of manyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02326155799271445626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-40557664605218407362010-11-22T21:21:48.861-07:002010-11-22T21:21:48.861-07:00After reading Leadership Education I went searchin...After reading Leadership Education I went searching for some research and testimonies to either back up or refute some of the claims made in the book. I am so glad I came across your site. I thought your arguments and some of the discussions following very logical and addressed many of my concerns with the TJED model that I hadn't been able to articulate. I think anything worth learning, any truth, should be able to stand up to debate or critiques. While I think this method does have some really good ideas, I think I will use some, leave out a lot, use inspiration, and not worry that I am dooming my children because I am not following every Key precisely. This was exactly what I needed to read. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and opening a discussion.Rebeccanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-41098934923152590572010-07-04T00:18:14.145-06:002010-07-04T00:18:14.145-06:00Thank you, thank you. I bought and I read TJEd and...Thank you, thank you. I bought and I read TJEd and never clicked. I did not know why. You put it so well in words. Thank you again!Kristinehttp:///noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-51268411176243694712009-11-12T20:34:43.454-07:002009-11-12T20:34:43.454-07:00I too stumbled upon this site. As an LDS home sch...I too stumbled upon this site. As an LDS home schooler of 18 years I read the TJed book and have run ac cross many adherents. There is one idea I have seen that is of great value particularly with those parents who had poor educations and that is the concept that the parents should educate themselves in order to educate their children.<br /><br /> OTOH there are huge flaws. First of all as has been noted Thomas Jefferson was not educated in that manner at all. He had a rigorous and mandatory classical education. Further, many leaders were not well educated in the classics. I think most would agree that George Washington was an important leader and he was more of an athlete than a scholar. The reality is that many different types of education generate leaders and many different types of people become leaders.<br /><br /> The biggest flaw is what I considered a very simplistic world view. The book is very vague. The parents I have seen who are most attracted to it have been poorly educated themselves. <br /><br /> I also believe that in any field to become expert a times comes to do hard work and boring drill. My daughter is becoming an artist and she is doing drawing and design work. It is tedious and she hates it, but it is part of the process. Even abstract painters learn realism first. In math boring drill is needed. We don't need to read Pythagoras in order to study math, we need to work and practice through drills that have been developed over the centuries. My dh who is a math PhD thinks the TJed approach to math is ridiculous. I have not seen an TJed kids who have done well in any of the sciences.<br /><br /> The TJed approach of reading and discussing is valuable, but at the college level they need to get in deeper. In addition the idea that any book can be classic which I have found among adherents is a bit of a joke.<br /><br /> For those who are interested in relaxed yet rigorous education, my own personal favorite book is "Designing Your Own Classical Curriculum" by Laura Berquist. As a mother who raised 8 children, 4 of whom had graduated and were in college, she holds far more credibility with me as to how to home school kids. Another great book is "Homeschooling for Excellence" by David and Micki Colfax.<br /><br /> The whole idea that all of us who were conventionally educated are unable to think independently is ridiculous. If they have a really good method then they don't need to go on about conveyor belt education, their results will speak for themselves. The many home schooled students who are doing well attests to the fact that people can do a great job without TJed or the seminars they push. Those of us who have been home schooling longer are sometimes a bit disturbed by the people who are now making money off the insecurities of newer home school parents and making them think they need some kind of expert to help them do the job be it the TJed people or the local school districts. ANyone who can read and study and has access to paper, pencil and a library can home school well without needing any additional help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-53214657316505677622009-10-24T23:49:27.211-06:002009-10-24T23:49:27.211-06:00J.L.L., as a homeschooling parent I want to thank ...J.L.L., as a homeschooling parent I want to thank you for articulating your criticism of TJED in such a thorough, logical manner.<br /><br />What a lot of the comments on this site seem to reflect is the incorrect idea that criticism is, by it's nature, "wrong". <br /><br />Not so.<br /><br />If an idea claiming to be based upon facts, logic, and reason cannot stand up to criticism based on the same then that philosophy is fatally flawed. <br /><br />Such appears to be the case with adherents to TJED.<br /><br />I've spent the last hour this evening reading through this fascinating blog which I stumbled upon. And, the same pattern keeps appearing among the responses: The TJED adherents revert to emotional arguments when faced with irrefutable evidence in a factual, logical, and reasoned form. It is a fatal flaw to the TJED philosophy. <br /><br />I suppose I should also thank the poster going by "Donna" just as much - her posts have demonstrated so well many of the negative attributes to be found among the TJED adherents who are more religious (and emotional) in their following of this philosophy. As I have been re-studying logic and critical thinking with my oldest child this year I've been thrilled this evening to have so many good examples of straw-men, ad hominem attacks, and faulty logic to draw upon from your posts, Donna! Thank you for showing me the incorrect way to argue for a philosophies merits! :)<br /><br />Have a good evening all. And, J.L.L. - superb site with great critical thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-87023735249738990102009-10-18T17:16:38.077-06:002009-10-18T17:16:38.077-06:00I haven't been back in a number of months, but...I haven't been back in a number of months, but just dropped in because I linked to the site in a homeschooling forum.<br /><br />JLL, seriously, you've got to get this site restructured! The organization is really odd!<br /><br />This stuck out to me:<br /><br /><b>For it to be a true test, you can't take someone that started this program when they were 14 years old, you would need to judge it by someone that started from birth and was given a TJEd education their whole life.</b><br /><br /><b>You cannot judge something after just 15 years and whine where are the leaders.</b><br /><br />If we can't judge TJEd by it's (lack of) leaders, then how can DeMille make the claims he does about the results? On what basis does he make those JUDGEMENTS?<br /><br />It's utterly nonsensical!Alison Moore Smithhttp://www.pix2brix.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-44589830569228449842009-07-20T16:58:42.082-06:002009-07-20T16:58:42.082-06:00My husband and I have been interested in TJed for ...My husband and I have been interested in TJed for our children because the classics appeal to us. We love to read and want to foster that same love in our children. We have purchased the books by DeMille and tried the method this year, much to the chagrin of my in-laws. We even attended a free seminar last summer to get us started. In that seminar the definition of a classic was changed to anything that is enduring. I believe even "classic rock" was included. You are right, jll. If this method is so tried and true then why are definitions changing. I can't believe I fell for the "great leaders used this method" argument without researching it. That is a shame on me. But it is even more of a shame on DeMille as he should have never made the claims. We (my husband and I) feel taken in. We will never spend another dime on this "method" ever again. We will, however be reading classics to our children and add text books to assist them in learning math and science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-85501726788456378042009-06-13T07:56:41.875-06:002009-06-13T07:56:41.875-06:00Yeah people like to drop some sort of backhand com...Yeah people like to drop some sort of backhand comment about how I've spent so much time on the blog and they don't understand why, but they are going to go do something productive.<br /><br />They still don't address the issues that I raise, like how it is not true that "great men and women in the past read the classics" etc. No one seems to care about any falsehoods in TJEd, just people pointing them out. No one cares that the "Phases of Learning" are modern theories that started with Freud's psychosexual stages, and have gotten modified along the way. No one should dare challenge the relationship between husband and wife as depicted in the Leadership book by the DeMilles.<br /><br />Using false claims to build a foundation for education and family relationships = productive.<br /><br />Pointing out the falsehoods and problems = unproductive<br /><br />Parents spending hours and years going to seminars to learn how to adopt a faulty educational paradigm = productive.<br /><br />Spending a few hours writing a blog to explain the problems with TJEd = unproductive<br /><br />Nelgecting to instruct your child in some of their most impressionable and receptive years = productive<br /><br />Helping people to not fall for yet another Mormon scam (this time educational) = unproductive<br /><br />Got it.J.L.Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15788298939203330931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-27383678438409081522009-06-12T10:41:08.825-06:002009-06-12T10:41:08.825-06:00I can see why you feel so passionate about GWU. I ...I can see why you feel so passionate about GWU. I guess if I were you and had a relative that felt the experience wasn't what was represented I would feel similar. <br /><br />Out of curiosity, what was the representation that your relative received? What were her expectations?Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723057895125217476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8295494961064370666.post-79783765818082515382009-06-11T17:15:24.526-06:002009-06-11T17:15:24.526-06:00I can't believe someone that disagrees with an...I can't believe someone that disagrees with another would spend so much time trying to discredit their efforts. Move on. Create something better. <br /><br />I guess it's that weak side of human nature that makes us feel better about ourselves to magnify someone else's faults or misfortunes. (i.e. "Thought you might be interested in my latest posting, which details Oliver DeMille's announcement that the Monticello campus will be drastically scaled back, and that the Cedar City campus will be downsized as well.") <br /><br />"Truth"...er I mean "The Real George Wythe" what have you done besides try and destroy something seemingly good that someone else is trying to do? JLL-- Never is a long time. I am not so sure the use of an absolute is very wise...have fun.Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12723057895125217476noreply@blogger.com